Episode 68: Teens, Terrors and Terrible Decisions | Until Dawn 2015

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You think Emily's a villain? Did she is a shit stirrer?

She gets her, she gets her own skanked here. I'm calling her skanked here. And I'm sorry if that offends you dear listener, but Emily was the first one to throw the skank stone out right after saying how smart she was. And for my, in my personal opinion, as soon as you tell me how smart you are, and then that word leaves your mouth, male or female, I instantly have lost a lot of respect for you and Emily, that's like her high point. It just keeps going down from there. All she does is berate Matt.

Yeah, like all the time and she's just, I don't know, she's just all around awful person. Literally everybody. Yeah. Like she's just. Yeah. That's why I was going to put her in the villain tier until you made that one. Terrible person. Yeah. So I made a new Emily tier that was below the villain tier on purpose. And yes, I think it's below the villain.

Welcome to the Cable Club. We're a video gaming podcast where three guys wander around in the dark and we're linking up to talk about the games you love and rank them. we eat each other too? That sounds gross. Stomped it. Oh, okay. This is episode number 68. We're your hosts. I'm Steve. I'm Dan. When to go, Dan? When to go, dawn. And we're talking about until dawn. Surprising.

Me. So get ready to upload data from us to you. But first, let's set the mood. High in the isolated peaks of Blackwood Mountain, a snow-choked nightmare. It's cold, dark, and eerie. Eight friends return to the lodge where tragedy once struck, only to realize something is off. Almost as if something is stalking them in the dark.

The mountain doesn't hide secrets, it buries them. Floorboards grown under unseen weight, distant screams echo through frozen forests, and the flutter of butterfly becomes a web of interwoven choices that all feel like a loaded gun. One wrong decision, one moment of panic, and the story twists mercilessly, turning trust into suspicion and friends into corpses. As the night deepens,

The lines between human cruelty and something far older begin to blur. A masked figure hunting them feels terrifyingly real. The mountain itself harbors a dark secret. Legends whisper of the Wendigo, a gaunt, starving shape that moves faster than fear itself. Guided by the unnerving presence of Dr. Hill, you're forced to confront not only monsters in the snow, but also your own thoughts and instincts.

And until dawn, survival isn't about bravery. It's about sacrifice and grit. And sometimes the scariest moment isn't the creatures in the shadows. It's realizing that your choices are the only thing keeping you alive or sentencing you to a cold, harsh death. Love it. Or it's about not hitting your head on a tree as you try to slide under it, running from said windigo. All the climbing scenes as like, you know, Mike and... ⁓

Sam, Sam. Yeah. Did they, I'm just imagining slipping on the ice and cracking your head open. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, good at those PlayStation dude. Thank God for the PlayStation and keeping their buttons the same forever. Yeah. This was X and Y. I absolutely would have had an issue. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Nintendo and Microsoft. I still maintain PlayStation perfected the controller, you know.

Back in the nineties, they haven't had to change it since it's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. Agreed. Love it. All right. Before we get into that, I just have a couple of announcements. One is that we'll be starting our league in a couple of episodes and we're in the middle of our winter backlog. So this part of the year, I'm hoping to turn into a tradition when the months get cold and seasonal depression sets in, we get to play some games that have been on our backlog and some games that have been on your backlog. So this episode was a random choice from our listeners who submitted games to us.

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a donation in each product description if you choose to buy. Dan, wanna kick us off with question of the week? Question of the week comes from Lady Lishi. She wrote, what is your favorite and least favorite video game to movie adaptation? Boys, let me hear them answers. So my favorite is, man, they're, so.

I don't know if I'll say my favorite, but I think a really good one that comes to mind. And I think all three of them are great are the Sonic movies. Honestly are really, really good, especially because of how much Sega shits on Sonic for the last 20 years. You know, I think nobody expected those movies to be great, especially, you know, but the ugly Sonic fiasco happening before that, but all three are really good, especially the third one. ⁓ And I would give a special shout out to the Mario movie too. think the Mario movie was everything.

needed to be and was on the whole excellent but ⁓ least favorite man is some real bad ones i know i honestly do not like the old mario movie like the old old one it's charming though ⁓ no it's not those goombas i didn't i didn't think it was charming when i was a kid mario anything's possible like why did they just gotta believe do this like just every decision in that movie was like why

Why did do this? Like, did anybody even turn the game on? Like, yo, she's like a velociraptor. Yeah, like a literal, but Bowser's like. ⁓ he's like a dude, isn't he? Like, who played him? He's got like, yeah, he's just Dennis Hopper. Like having the time of his life playing that, I guess he's not even Bowser. He's King Koopa, but.

You know, it's just, I just don't understand where the inspiration came from. are now a member of the Royal Family, Goomba! That movie reminds me of like, you know, the US box arts of like old, you know, Nintendo games. It's basically what that whole movie was. Yeah, right? It's like box art Mega Man the movie. When is Mega Man gonna get a movie? He deserves a movie. I don't know if it's a movie, but aren't they like making a series or something? I remember hearing that a while It does not look good. It's like a kid's series. Of course. Of course.

boy. moving on before before that. So there's a lot of cool adaptations lately. Like obviously you touched on Mario and on Sonic. The Until Dawn movie, speaking of this game, was actually pretty cool. really? It's just a horror movie. I didn't want to go there because I do intend to talk about it. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm just talking about some of stuff. Would you guys consider Ready Player One?

It's a video game themed movie, but I don't think it's an adaptation of a game. But it has a bunch of stuff in it from games too. So does Wreck-It Ralph. Would you consider that in the same category? I mean, fairly close. I just think they got licensing to put in licensed extras. Yeah. I mean, that's fair. I mean, Mechagodzilla. If I could pick it, that'd probably be it. But if I can't pick it, then, ⁓

I don't know. guess I'm going to go with, I want to pick something that you didn't pick. So yeah, I know I'm going to pick uncharted. I think it was fun. actually liked it a lot. Yeah. I think it fun. It was unjustly criticized. And I did not. Holland fan too. So. Wahlberg. I didn't, I didn't think Wahlberg was going to be a good Sully, but it kind of sold it to me as, as being a young Sully. Yeah. Well, we're supposed to be getting a sequel, so I'm waiting for that.

You think he's going to grow a stash for that? I don't know. was Nathan's brother's name? I can't remember. Tommy. That sounds right, but I couldn't remember that he's supposed to be in it. At least favorite. I watched it a bunch as a kid, but it's really bad. It's even worse than the Mario movie. You guys seen the double dragon movie? No, I didn't even know one existed. That's funny.

Bad. it weird that people now like idolize stuff that was terrible when, when, when we were kids, like, like people like the street fighter movie now and you're like, it's nostalgia, man. I don't hate the Mario movie. think it's, I think it's like a fun time if you separate the, like the amount that I actually think about that movie, it can't be as awful as it is just a childhood memory. Yeah.

But let's be realistic about that. Right? Okay. It's a childhood memory. You, you, you had a good time with it. It doesn't mean you turn around and are like, yeah, it's a great movie. It deserves gold standard critic praise. I'm not saying it should be critically acclaimed as like amazing. I'm saying that it's stuck with me. know how many movies I've seen that didn't stick with me? Maybe I'm just realistic about the sense that like, I can like bad things and that's okay.

Yeah, no, that's exactly what I mean. Like it can be bad, but if you enjoy it to make fun of it for whatever reason you choose and it's worth a spot in your brain to remember after all these years, it's got to be something. right. So listen, back in those days, my choice would have been the Mario movie or flip over to like the Disney channel to watch like Halloween town or Zenon. Okay. And I would have chosen, I would have chosen Zenon or Halloween town every day of the week or that movie.

It was kind of a disgrace. That's fair. But we were really short on video game movies at the time. That's true. That was not the mustard. All right, Dan, tell us about Resident Evil. Yeah, mean, honestly, I was going to pick the the Mario movie because I just watched it like six months ago. But man, I wish I could do like a series because I would definitely pick the season one of Castlevania. I don't know, maybe maybe a Pokemon movie when I watched as a kid. ⁓ first Pokemon movie was pretty good.

I like that. So you don't want to play Minecraft movie? I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it either. I'm not interested. I mean, it's got Jack Black in it. How bad could it be? And Jason Momoa? Yeah. Momoa. So yeah, I guess I'll pick the first Pokemon movie because I remember that liking that fondly as a kid. As far as like...

a bad movie. I don't really follow Warcraft all that much, but I remember watching that movie and just not being impressed whatsoever. Oof, the costuming was a wharf in that movie. Yeah, I remember there was this one scene where like, there was like a one-on-one with like an orc and a human and it like sucked. was poorly done. And the fight was over in like two seconds, but like the whole like, they were like drawing it up.

to like be like this most like badass fight because there were like these two important figures and the fight was over in like five seconds. That's like real PvP. Yeah, I don't know. I was like, I was like, that's it. was the last fight you were in? Yeah, I know, but it's a movie. ⁓ It's got to be flashy. Can we go around the table and pick a movie that we deserve or that we think deserves a game adaptation? Sure. I'm fine with that. So.

I mean, obviously, or we could pick a movie to game adaptation. Cause I was thinking about Lord of the Rings and how they're coming out with a new like triple A, like the entirety of middle earth is going to be explorable. Like a Hogwarts legacy or a, you know, of those games. they have a few Lord of the Ring games? Yeah. And the two towers on the GameCube was sick. And there's a fair amount of, of movies that did get games too.

I was going to say it's kind of a shallower pool than one than one would think. No, dude. You got Top Gun. You got die hard. Has a game. Yeah. It does. It does. what I'm saying. Like there, there are not a lot of movies out there that there's a surprisingly few amount of movies that I think are worth talking about that don't have a game. ⁓ that's what you mean. Well, I think a lot of games, a lot of movies now don't have games.

But you know what did get a game and I kind of want to look at it, but I'm kind of like also very apprehensive is they have the frontiers of Pandora or whatever. And it's about like Pandora from Avatar and you get to like, know, ride, you know, the animals and explore all of that. And that seems like an interesting idea to me. feel like.

Avatar the last airbender should get like a real game. I don't know if they have or not They probably do basically but I feel like a really interesting. Mm-hmm IP to put in a game setting I feel like you could do anything with it. You could do like a tournament fighter You could do you do like a like an MMORPG you could do, you know, just a regular turn-based RPG This is like so much you could do with it. Honestly, could do like You could do like a Warcraft style like city builder type of thing like pick your

You know, pick your faction and go to war. Like this is so much you could do with that IP, I feel like. Yeah. What's the legend of Korra? I think there's a game for that actually. maybe. But. Could be. Yeah, that would be cool to have more of those. Nobody said Angry Birds. Those movies are fucking hilarious. Dude, they're so funny. Are they really? I thought you were joking.

I just thought that that one scene, what was it like? it, was it angry birds three with the Eagles? The second one. Okay. When do you make them? How do you, you said there's three of them. I think there's only two. Two. What is there about a, like what's the lore behind angry birds? How do you make two movies? You have a, you have a daughter. You should watch it with her. Mario. Yeah. Come on. And by the way, the Mario movie told like no story. Just saying.

Who's training Mario up to beat Bowser? I'd like to see an Elden Ring movie adaptation. I mean, that'd be sick. Like that whole world is like so huge and like all the like different, there's like a bunch of different gods that you fight and stuff like that. And they all have like their own goals and stuff. And then you go around, like, I just think like, if they did it right, like the actual fight scenes could be, you know, really sick looking.

That made me think of like if they had a blood-borne movie that would be yeah, that's who that's who yeah, what a metroid movie Yeah, dude, that'd be awesome. Yeah, i'd be for that for sure I still didn't put s and l mario kart concept has like Pedro pascal I would give that at least a couple episodes Looks like ⁓ it makes me think of the twisted metal tv show. it's so good It's so good. I really love it

If they did a Metroid movie, they'd have to have a scene where she's in the elevator. I mean, there's so much they could do, right? Alrighty. So audience answers. We're to start with Lobaka. He said, my favorite movie is probably Mortal Kombat. And then his least favorite. The new one or the old one? I don't know. It doesn't say. would just. Probably the old one. mean, it's nostalgic classic. Yeah.

It was the best video game movie back then. Dude, that theme song. Like, they were cooking back then. His least favorite, probably Doom. ⁓ that was fun. It's bad, but I will give it a lot of points for the end when it's in like the first person mode and he's going crazy on the... Yeah. Raise your hand if you thought Rock was gonna make it. I don't know. I don't really watch movies.

All right. Why Cientia he actually, I don't even think he listed a favorite, but he said pixel was trash. It's not a specific game, but it's video game adjacent. Why Cientia is like, I don't care what my favorite is. I need to call this game out trash. It's pretty bad. It's like, not only is it a trash video game movie, they also just like took every, like all the worst aspects of Adam Sandler and shoved it into one movie. Yeah.

I say that as a fan. Didn't catch any of his good side. ⁓ that's a shame. I feel like that's hard to do. He's such a funny dude. All right. Happenie. If I had to pick one, the Super Mario Bros. movie, is it for me? I mean, yeah, it's pretty good. Least favorite. Street Fighter was pretty rough. don't, is he probably talking about the live action one? I'd assume. Yeah, I would bet.

Yeah. Cause like the anime version that they'd had out, like that one was actually pretty sick. Like that was cool. Dude, that, that anime. Jean-Vaude Van Damme that someone was talking about as Guile. And that quote from Bison where it's like, it was just a Tuesday or whatever. Yeah. I mean, you laugh, he was the best actor in the movie by far. But, uh, so I grew up watching that like street fighter, like Saturday morning cartoon once in a while.

where they really warped all the characters and like, Guile was like the main character. And then I saw that movie and I didn't even blink at the idea that Guile was the main character. And it took like, until like way later in life for me to figure out that like Ryu was the intended main character. And I think in like the Saturday morning cartoon, he was like a coward or something like him and Ken were always like hiding. It's like what I seem to remember. I don't know.

I don't know either. You're not talking about the movie, right? They actually had a series, cartoon series? Yeah, yeah. I didn't know about that. morning cartoon and Chun Li's whole catchphrase was, I'm the strongest woman in the world. ⁓ really? I'm gonna have to look that up. I didn't even realize. But the anime movie, that art style is probably one of my favorites. Like I don't watch a lot of anime, but I think it's just, it's so gorgeous. It's good. I love it. Lady Lishi, favorite. I quite enjoy all the Mortal Kombat.

Sonic has my heart though. I'm still mad at Sonic. Why? What did he do to you? Cause they didn't do ice cap zone when he was snowboarding down the snowy mountain. They can't. They lost the license to that years ago. But it makes me so sad still. Yeah. Me too. It's a banger, but just get, just get Amazon music. They did do live and learn on Sonic 3, which is good. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Sonic's had a lot of music over the years. Yeah.

Makes up for all the shitty games. was it Escape from the City? I don't know. That's another banger too. Yeah, it was one of the two. Was that actually the one, like, from the actual game or was it like a remix? From Sonic Adventure 2. I'm a fan of the Sonic Boom song. That's cool. Yeah, from the animated Sonic Boom, Sonic Boom. Yeah, that's the brawl version as far as I know. yeah. That's the only one I know.

All right. So she had a least favorite. I really feel they missed the mark on the Silent Hill movie series and they definitely dropped the ball with the Until Dawn movie. Hard disagree. doesn't like that it's not like... It takes a lot of liberties from the source material. in the movie they can... though. No, but it irked her and that's her opinion. So are the characters the same or are they completely different? Characters are different and the whole idea of what happens is different too.

It's like a cabin of the woods style horror and it takes inspiration from the stuff that happens in the the Until Dawn movie. But what they were going for was like a literal interpretation of a player's experience who went through the game multiple times. So the whole story is that they can all get murdered, they have to, they'll get reset and put back in their bodies and remember that they got murdered and they have to try to make it Until Dawn. That's the challenge basically.

And the people decide they want to leave anybody behind. they, so they'll do stuff throughout the movie, like kill each other when they figure out that somebody else died or something. Right. And, uh, I guess the longer it happens, the more when to go you become because people just go feral from the idea that they died so many times and they don't actually want to die. 15 or something like that, but yeah, there's like a number. It's really good because

They brutally murder everybody as many times as they want yet everybody survives at the end like I really thought it was a great horror concept and and it sticks to its own logic I think really well Yeah, no, I like the until dawn movie. It's it's more of like a personal gripe with her that she just because she played the until dawn game like 15 years ago when it came out or whatever Yeah 15 years. No, it's been 10 years easy easy

It's that old. It's a little older. It's 2015. Take it easy. Take it easy. Whatever. We're not that old yet. I feel old. Yeah, we're getting there. All right. Jmo. My favorite video game to movie is probably Street Fighter. The movie Come At Me. Is that the anime one? I actually don't know. that's the that's the live action one. OK. I see what he's saying. Like, come at me. Like, like, I get you.

Like for some reason he's gonna die on. Yeah, I gotcha. to watch more movies. anyway, I read come at me like it was part of the title. my God. Street Fighter, the movie. Come at me. In theaters this fall. Come at me, bro. All right. Least favorite. The fact that they made a House of the Dead 2. The fact that they made another that was somehow worse than the first is almost impressive. I didn't even know that existed.

And I went and saw a trailer for it and it's worse than you think. Because the games I feel like were tongue in cheek and they knew what they were up to, like making like a really crappy campy movie, right? And you're like, well, it's perfect. It could just be a crappy campy zombie movie. And it's, it's just so much worse. You know, it's bad when it's a preview that I look at and I'm like, I don't want to watch this actually. Yeah. Even on like bad movie night. Yep. And I love me some bad movies. All right.

I skipped one here. Chris in the bucket. I thought the first few Resident Evil movies were good. Then they faded off, but were well made visually. Uncharted had potential, but man, Mortal Kombat, the more recent one was trash. Haven't seen a lot of the others to compare. Chris, you're just a hater. I didn't like the most recent Mortal Kombat movie. It was at a time when Mortal Kombat 11 had done its thing and Mortal Kombat 11 won awards.

for its story and everything. Like was really good. ⁓ really? And the fact they took Zero inspiration from that achievement because Mortal Kombat up to that point, the story was not very good. They really turned that series around real quick without like altering or resetting the timeline or anything. It was excellent. I mean I thought it was cool the whole like Scorpion and Sub-Zero storyline and I didn't mind the main character at all and I like that they got their powers through like

you know, training in the arena and learning how to master them. thought it was fine. just like fucking whoops. Fucking, fucking whoops. Sonia the whole time is telling Kano about how trash he is and he'll never be good and whatever. And he ends up getting the power from somebody because he kills them. And that's one of the ways to get the power. And Sonia doesn't have power and she tries to enter the ring and they're like, you can't, cause you don't have the right. Kano turns around, fucking whoops.

He's so good. He's so funny in that movie. He made it man. is The movies is a good time. I don't care what anyone says Can I envy and the way Jax gets his arms in that movie Sub-zero freezes Jax arms and then breaks them off and then they surgically put the new arms on arms It's changed throughout the years that always kind of happens to him. Yeah, this is makes them. Yeah

He actually didn't have metal arms in Mortal Kombat 2. Yeah, somebody always rips him off. Just depends on just the person changes depending on that. I'm just saying it was a cool movie. I liked it. He liked it a lot. It wasn't violent enough for my for my for my taste. Yeah, there was no Johnny Cage punching Goro in the nuts because of the sunglasses. Well, he's going to be in the second movie. So I'm assuming they're going to go there. I hope so. Yeah, Johnny Cage could potentially give

Cano will run for his money. Cause he's, he's funny. He's a funny bastard. got to get Nicholas cage play Johnny cage. No, they got Carl urban. I didn't look at any casting. Yeah. So, have you watched the boys show on, on Amazon? Yeah. So he plays a character named Billy butcher and he's like a really charismatic, like deep state government agent guy. he the black hair guy? Yeah. Killing superheroes. one that's like diabolical and like.

You know, that's like his whole deal. Yeah. It's hard to sum up Billy, Billy butcher in 10 seconds. If you haven't watched the series, but, I could not picture him as Johnny cage, but I guess we'll see. Oh yeah. He looks a little old to be a Johnny. I know. I know. It's exactly what I was thinking. But you know what though? Idris Elba is someone who I always pictured being like way older and way less fit.

than he actually is. And then you occasionally see him in like an action movie role and you're like, okay, I can see it. But like most of the time I see him as characters like Heimdall in the Marvel movies or this other show called Luther. And he just kind of like lumbers around. And so I assumed he was like an old guy, but then you see him in like one of the action movies, like the Hobbs versus Shaw movie. And you're like, and he's black Superman. And you're like, okay, I guess he can do this kind of stuff. So that's kind what I'm hoping that we get out of Carl Urban reel is that I'm more surprised because Billy Butcher is not like the

run around and kick ass type of character. And it's the only familiarity I have with Carl Irvin. Yeah. I'm looking at him now. That's yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'll be surprised, but yeah, he doesn't look like a Johnny cage to me whatsoever. Yeah. Katana is going to be an aunt. That'll be cool. Yeah. Would Ryan Reynolds have made a good Johnny cage? I think would have been probably. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he does it do a good Deadpool. yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think he would have been absolutely perfect.

Probably, probably at least three times what Carl Urban costs though. Yeah. But Mint Mobile's like basically free. He stopped doing those. Like I stopped seeing ads for those. Not sponsored by Mint Mobile. No, no, no. But we should be. Give us a call. Anyway, speaking of movies and games that blur the lines. Want to talk about Until Dawn? Let's do it.

All right. So until dawn was a game created by the studio super massive games, but I believe was published by Sony. So not an indie game, although super massive games, I think at the time was a relatively unknown studio. Now they do, I believe it's a series called the dark Chronicles or something like that. So they have a bunch of these games now. So until dawn, I think was the first one. If it wasn't the first one, it was the first one that was really popular.

where it's this horror style, a story with a group of characters, the relationships, all the choices matter, butterfly effect, all that kind of stuff. Right. Later on, they've done some others like man of Madonna. And I only know some of these others because a person from our discord, chef Doug and I, he likes to get me to play one of these every single year. Cause I think, cause he knows I hate horror games, but it is fun to do. Personally don't think that super massive games has ever recaptured the magic that exists here in until dawn as in, you know, having played three or four of these things. Now I think this one is.

are in a way the best. thing that is cool is that they all have like that narrator that exists in the game and he's different in this one, but in the subsequent games, he's the same guy, kind of like a Tales of the Crypt kind of vibe where he's, it's the same guy telling you stories every single time and you're like visiting with him and it's heavily implied that he is death. And I think that's pretty cool. This game is not like a platformer or RPG. It's like very much like.

Your choices matter type of a game, but if you're familiar with telltale, it's a little bit more engaging than that. Like you actually have to walk the character around most of the time. Yeah. And pick up items and read things and kind of piece some of it together before it. You know, before it happens and QTEs and all that. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. It takes, so it's done episodically.

There's a 10 chapters in the game 11 if you count the prologue each chapter is only about an hour long. So it's nice to be able to like sit down even does like a little previous like previously on on until dawn. I wish I could get it. Yeah, but you know, it's kind of cool. I think it's you know meant to be like a show that you would watch. think I did a good job with it. Previously on until dawn. So there's eight characters. Are there are there eight?

⁓ think so. You're talking about counting Beth and 10, 10 counting. it's four guys, four girls, right? No, I think, I think there's 10, 10 with Beth and Hannah. Okay. Yeah. So it's a cabin in the woods style horror movie and 10 kids go up to a cabin, eight kids play a trick on two of the kids and two of the kids run off into the woods and tragedy happens and they.

disappear and then like a year later, I can't believe a year later. It's actually only six play a joke on one. Yeah, but like a year later to me is crazy, but yeah, they all end up back there for like a reunion sort of a deal and just mayhem ensues. So yeah. Well, like they, the, brother Josh, like the two that run off were sisters of Josh.

And he does like a, like a halt, like basically coming back to like the cabin, like he does like a video, like, like it's going to go viral or something. Like we're going to do like a party. We're going to party back here. I know it's been a year. I'm getting over it, blah, blah, blah. But like, I think, you know, obviously he wanted everyone back because he wanted like some sort of revenge. Well, he's what happened. Yeah. And he's like loaded to his whole family owns the entire mountain.

Yeah. Because his father is a big fancy director of Hollywood movies. Right. And you learn in the prologue, there's someone else up on the mountain already. There's the guy in the gas mask that reaches down to try to pick up Beth and Hannah. Yeah. So you already know there's something up there, right? You kind of have that sense going in. Right. Yeah, no. Obviously, like...

You know, he wanted to save Beth and Hannah because he's up there for a reason, obviously. I mean, he's himself secluded, but they have like these, you know, things called Windigo's that like people like turn into on that mountain. And he's basically up there to like basically, you know, fight them off and kill them and all that stuff. Oh, who Josh? No, no, the, guy with the flamethrower. Yeah. Yeah.

But like you don't you don't know any of that like you think he's you know, he's the maniac at first Yeah, yeah, you think you think he's like some killer Although he is very obviously reaching out to help you like there's no reason to not take that hand. I feel like yeah. Yeah No for sure

But yeah, so you, go up there and everything seems pretty normal and you know, your friends are gradually getting up there slowly and you get some, you get a little bit of background on their, on their relationship. You get to meet some of the characters, get kind of a feel of who everybody is and game, game mechanics and all that. And like, and, you get some like history. So was Sam at the initial. So, ⁓ sorry, I'm trying to think of, ⁓ is she was Jessica at the, the initial party? Yep.

She was hiding under the bed. Yeah, was in it. And Matt was... Yeah, he was the one recording it. This is a weird little incestuous group. Yeah. are you talking about? Like, just like everybody's dating each other. It's just weird. Like, to have that close friendship and you guys are just like switching partners. I don't know, the whole thing Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I think the first time around, Emily and Mike were together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you get this whole jealousy thing. And I'm playing this from an old guy's perspective. So it's just like...

I don't know. Like I really wouldn't get into any of that drama, but some of the choices are like, you don't really have a choice. Like it's like either berate the guy or come careening through the problem. And it's like neither one I'd be like, yeah, man, it's cool. I don't really care about Emily. Like, or, you know, I have the emotional quotient as a 35 year old to understand that like, oh yeah, they were in a relationship for, for a long time. Maybe they're just apologizing and he's giving her a hug. Like, and that's okay.

I have the emotional bandwidth of a fucking couch It's fine It's just like all yeah, whatever But yeah, you don't really get those choices So like there's a relationship system and this kind of gets me to the first thing I wanted to talk to you guys about Because I went digging around for info and I couldn't find anything. So each character has stats Like your bravery your charitable like how charitable this I was like eight steps

The reason I don't care what they are is because they don't seem to do anything. I think they do the relationships. No, I don't know if this the only reason that they're there is to see how your action, what you choose, how it changes your relationships, but it doesn't really change anything. You just get to see the differences. Well, it is- think it really matters. Yeah, because like there's a point in the game where, I don't know if this happened to you guys, but like,

Dan already talked about the Wendigo a little bit, like Emily, Emily, my least favorite character got bit by one of the Wendigos and everybody's doing the zombie reaction thing. Yeah. Yeah. Turn into one. And like my relationship or Mike's relationship with her was rock bottom, like zero. There's nothing in there and he's pointing the gun at her. And you would assume if there was any point where the relationship would matter. Cause he thinks he's going to shoot her for a good reason that she's going to turn into one of those things on them. And he still doesn't shoot her. So.

that just like cemented in my mind that like a lot of the choices are false. feels like. you, you can shoot her there. Well, yeah, you can shoot her, but I think you could shoot her whether or not your relationship is good with her or not. Oh, so what are you saying? If it was like rock bottom, like you wouldn't even have a choice kind of that? No, no, my, my relationship, Mike's relationship with her was rock bottom on my playthrough and he didn't shoot her in the face. So I'm guessing that there's no instance where.

you don't at least have the option to not shoot her in the face. what Don's saying is that it doesn't matter what choices you've made in the past relationship wise, you still get the same choices. So it's like there isn't really a... the only negatives and positives are sometimes the endings change based on your actions and the like interview at the end that each character gets. They can have good endings or worse endings. ⁓ okay.

is recorded for an ending changes based on what you've picked throughout the game. And I think that's where the stats come into play. Like they change what the people say in the interview at the end. yeah. Cause I've noticed they'll say stuff about each other in the interviews. Right. So that makes sense. Yeah. So there's, there's a small, small thing about the interactions, the way that the characters grow or, or, know, but, no gameplay changes. It's just,

This game feels intimidating on its surface. Like there's so many choices and avenues that it could potentially go down, but I don't actually think that's the case. Yeah. I don't think so either, like, think you're more or less going to get the same story kind of no matter what happens, just there's going to be variability in which characters survive. think, think you probably get, I think you could probably kill everybody before the end of the game. If you tried hard enough, but well, yeah. Cause I was thinking of that too. Cause it was like.

the amount they would have to change like in the game. If like say someone died like extremely early, then he's like now he's not a part of the game. So it's like now you have to kind of like mold the story without him being in it. they also do extra scenes and dialogue when people die about because Chris died for us and Ashley talks about it for like, I don't know, 30 seconds or whatever. So they added something in. Yeah. But what I'm trying to say is like when they die,

it's going to be around the same area in the part of the game where there's like some quote unquote supposed to die. Like I don't think everybody has like two chances or maybe three. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Because like the amount of like, you know, footage or like development they would have to like make to like completely change the game if like if they could just die any at any point in time. You know what I'm saying? So like they only have a few spots where they can actually die. So the story stays cohesive.

I mean, it is only a 10 hour game, but I guess, you know, if there were two or three times where people could die over the course of eight characters, I guess it is a lot of possibilities. Yeah. Like say if like Josh could die in the beginning of the game, then it's like the whole story would change. Like, so I understand why that there's only a few times where they can actually do die. I think what would have been neat and what I thought was happening, cause like I had watched a lot about this game before playing it, but

So like, thought that maybe, ⁓ there were playthroughs based on your choices where you were trying to survive the night and get away from like a slasher. And there would be just playthroughs where you didn't see the Wendigo like ever. And I thought the Wendigo was like a certain, you know, thing you had to do to unlock that monster. And that's kind of what I thought this game was. You were giving it way more credit. Yeah. But you know, wouldn't, wouldn't that have been awesome though that like, you know, depending on what you do, the danger is different.

Like an actual choose your own adventure book. Yeah. But, ⁓ know, it's, it's a pretty linear game. There's some exploration stuff. Actually, this kind of a lot of exploration. I myself during really inappropriate times where like you're being chased or something, but you get a sense after a while of when you think action things are going to come up. Like if you're walking a character around, you're generally safe. Like nothing is going to come out and attack you generally speaking. like.

You'd be getting chased by a Wendigo, but as soon as you get player control back, you're like, yeah, go back down that hallway. Where's my totem? Yeah, I know. Right. It gives you a glimpse of the future too. Except when you're in the mines and it, and yeah, I think you're, I think you're Emily and you're getting chased by one. Yeah. By multiple, right? Is it, was that the part where they get chased by multiple? It's crawling around the mine shaft and like, like really fast and then stops and then really fast and stops. Yeah.

Yeah, that's freaky man. After she falls down into the mines from the radio tower collapse. Right. And then yeah, you're trying to get out. Yeah. So for everyone who's uninitiated, Wendigos are a native American folklore creature that is actually in real life as much nightmare fuel as it is. Yeah. Depicted. So in this game, they're kind of like meth zombies is kind of what I like to call them. They move around real jittery like, and they don't go down with bullets like at all ever. They're afraid of fire.

Fire. don't like fire. Yeah. And they can only sense movement too. So if you stand perfectly still and for whatever reason they can't see you, which is kind of weird to me. Cause like when you can see like the vision of the Wendigo, like the characters are all lit up and they're all bright. It's cause they're moving. Yeah. Is that what it is? So it's like what? When they move a little bit, but if you're the Wendigo, things do move a little bit. So you're probably just like, you know, if you're like standing outside and the wind is blowing, it's probably just like lighten up like Christmas, you know.

You just get over it eventually. You want to be sure when you jump into something blind. Why the thing's indestructible. Because sometimes things are hot, I guess. You feel heat. They might feel the bullets. can't ask them, but Wendigos occur when stranded travelers resort to cannibalism. The spirit of the Wendigo is supposedly takes them over and turns them into a ravenous.

flesh eating monster. And it makes you wonder how a legend like that actually came about. Yeah, I don't know. Did these tribes people like occasionally would get stranded one, one would eat another and they'd find that guy and he'd be going totally out of his mind and he tried to chew your face off by the time you found him and they were like that. Well, we got to give a name to that. Some guy had Peyote and just went like off his rocker. My wife said the same thing Peyote.

But they do have their roots in the cold climate though. Like that's where it comes from. And that whole like cabin area, like it's above a mine area. Like a mine shaft. And basically like they got caved in. like there was like a bunch of miners who got trapped in there and they couldn't get out. So what I'm guessing is they probably resorted to cannibalism at one point.

Yeah, there were 12 miners. Yeah. So now you've got like probably 10 plus Wendigos down there. But there also was the sanatorium where they were experimenting on people, I think, because they knew about the Wendigos to make it happen. All of those people returned from the mine. They rescued the 12 miners and they put them in the sanatorium. Like there's so much literature that you find throughout the game.

They put the 12 miners in the sanatorium to check them, to monitor them because they should have been weak. They should have been frail. They should have been starving. But when they came out of the mines from being rescued, they were at peak physical strength and they were doing things that were like inhumanly possible. So they put them in the sanatorium to study them and to monitor them. And they started changing. And some of them are chained in there.

In, um, episode nine or whatever, Mike goes through it and there's a bunch of them chained up into cells and all that. Those are the miners. Yeah. Some of them escaped, but. how did you guys do in that section? Cause I had learned by this point that occasionally the game will make you like run out of bullets or something. But like some of this stuff is beautifully crafted. when, uh, there's a part in the very beginning of the game where, uh, Mike and his girlfriend, Jessica at the time get like.

quote unquote banished to the guest cabin. like it's all from the main, the main cabin, right? But the, the, the, yeah, shadow realm is right because this guest cabin is like, I don't even know. Like it's gotta be at least two miles. Yeah. It's so far away from the main cabin. Like it makes no sense. And then, and then they have to go through the mines to get there. That would have been the very moment when I was like, Nope.

going back to the main cabin and you're just going to have to deal with the other girl there because I am not going through there. That's not happening. That was, that's insane. Like I would have been the same way. I'm like, get in nookies. Not that worth it. I'm not going to be in the mood after I go through the air. No freaking way. And then the deer that gets attacked and then you have to either comfort it or take its life. And then you're in the middle of comforting this deer and it just gets dragged off and get chased by.

Yeah, so out. I'm so out because even if it's not a when to go it's something else not good. Like we are well, they thought it was a bear at first Well, like even still like I don't know it was like some of the characters like especially Mike like I just I don't know He was like basically fearless the whole time. I'm like, there's no no he was a scared baby in the beginning

in the beginning, maybe, but like then all of sudden he just like didn't care anymore. He's like, yeah, I'm to go here. I'm going to go there. I'm going go, you know, it's just like, she gets like ripped out out of the, out of the window, you know, like horror movie camp style and dragged off and Mike turns into an action hero. He's got like no shirt on and he's like running through the snow and he's jumping. He's like Ninja warrior, right? If you do all the QTEs and, and he finally catches up with her and then she falls down an elevator shaft. And I was like,

Like that, that point in the game, I took all the fast pass and I didn't miss anything. And I was like, how is she, how does she still die? How was I not like, how was I supposed to save her? I think if she's dead there, her jaws ripped off. Apparently, cause I did find out later she wasn't dead, which wasn't the most ridiculous surprise of the, of the night. But like, you know, and, and from there, so

In his mind, he should probably think that she's dead, right? Because when he finds her, she's not even really in condition that you would think she's going to live through this. Right. So he chases a guy and he sees a guy up at the top of the shaft and he shoots at him. And then the second time he shoots at him, he doesn't have any bullets. So back to my original point later on in the game, I'm going through the sanatorium and he takes a big fistful of shotgun shells and he takes the shotgun. Right. I did not shoot it a single one to go. That was behind bars.

Cause I was like, this is how the game gets you. was like, it's gonna, they already showed me this. was like, they're gonna, if I shot it, every wind to go behind the bars, I'm just going to have no bullets when the thing actually does, does come from me. So I just like paused at every single one. I don't know if you guys did the same or. No, I've shot everything. And you still had bullets? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't run out. Wow. Okay. Well, it's like, you don't know. it's like, yeah, I just, I just figured that if I failed something, he might die. And so I just kept.

doing it and I didn't worry about running out of bullets at all. Listen, before this happened, Chris died in my profile in my playthrough because of a missed gunshot. So I was hitting every gunshot. ⁓ fair enough. I, ⁓ I had only lost Matt up to this point and I lost him apparently because

Emily finds a flare gun and you can choose to let her keep it or give it to Matt. And I was like, well, it's a horror movie. They always go after the chicks first. So I made sure she kept it and Matt just winds up defenseless against a wendigo that hangs him on a meat hook. I was like, Oh, I guess it was the flare gun that I was supposed to give Matt, which never comes up again, by the way, Emily doesn't use it later for anything at all. It's just, you may as well throw it in the garbage. Oh my God. Yeah. Does she use it to light the gasoline on fire? No.

Or not in, not in my playthrough. didn't, and I didn't have the opportunity. never saw that flare gun again. She got the flare gun. think she got the flares from. From the stranger. Yeah. Yeah. I gave, I gave Matt the gun. Yeah. Or Alicia was playing. She gave it to him. I don't, that wasn't a chapter I played. I watched. mean, out of the two, she seemed like the more competent one and it's not saying much. And Matt, those are the real bottom tiers there.

Yeah. He didn't get a lot of screen time in this game. Like Matt. he was. He died the first chance he had. yeah, I didn't, I couldn't tell you. You know, he doesn't get a lot of screen time at all in this game. Yeah. I'd say he gets the least. You know I did think was cool though, is that a lot of these, a lot of the people that played these characters, the voices, you can absolutely see who they are. Like. Yeah. Like.

The Emily I knew right off, right off the bat as the girl who plays Cheyenne in Superstore. And I can't, I can't remember her name right now. Nicole, Nicole Sakura. Yeah. the actress that plays Sam is from heroes. Is she? Yeah. She's the indestructible skin girl. that actually makes a lot of sense. You know, you know who her character really reminded me of was like season one, two.

Buffy, the vampire slayer. Yeah, kinda like, like the really early seasons when she was really young, that that's, that's where she, that's what she reminded me of. She was awesome too. She didn't flinch like ever. was, she was great. me a main character vibes. Yeah, me too. She was like the main character. Yeah. Her and Mike are like the main characters. Yeah. Mike didn't give me main character vibes at first, but quickly changed. And then Josh is Rami Malek.

Yeah. Yeah. That one I saw. yeah. Kind of interesting how that, how that happens. And even, even the guy who plays the narrator is, is pretty similar. Yeah. The narrator. Or Dr. Hill. Sorry. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Peter Is he the guy that plays it in the movie? I didn't see it on his IMDB page. Maybe. Peter Stormare. Yeah.

Dr. Allen Hill Yep. Yep. He plays him in the movie. Well, that's so cool I thought he bore a striking likeness to the video game character before knowing that Nice. So how did you guys do on the collectibles? I probably got like 70 % of the totems I went back and Started collecting everything. ⁓ I think on my first playthrough Because I had Alicia and she knew a bunch of stuff. I think yeah, it's probably like

Probably like 80%. I was missing like three files per thing. And then I was missing like five totems out of 30. wow. That's pretty good. Yeah. I was probably around 60 % ish. I found a lot of the clues too. I think I was only missing like two or three per page also. So I don't know. I didn't have a problem finding the clues. For some reason, the totems just dropped off. Like I was, I was doing great. It was like a typewriter. was like one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five. then suddenly it was like six.

Like way up there. I was like, wait, I was like, that's like three ahead. Where, where, where, were those other two? Yeah. Mine were sporadically missed. Like, because sometimes there's, there are collectibles in this game that you can't see and alternate paths that you can't like see unless you stumble into them. Yeah. Like sometimes in the woods, there are some alternate paths to find the totems, but you don't know.

Yeah, the camera doesn't show you. Yeah, like you kind of have to guess whether it's the way you're supposed to be going or not. Basically like the rule I tried to follow was if the camera is directing me down that route, go a different way. And that I think worked decently well, but definitely not all the time. The first totem that I missed is right in the beginning of chapter two, when you're playing as Chris trying to break into the lodge. If you walk backwards from the stairs, it

opens a whole other area that you wouldn't see otherwise because the camera doesn't show it to you. listen for my Final Fantasy 10 days of walk backwards and get the Albed primer. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not forgotten. I'm just saying that that is the case on some of these totems. Yeah. I definitely figured out. So like your party gets attacked by this killer clown guy, or at least he was a clown for me. Was he something else for you guys? No, he's like a stall for me.

I assumed he wore a different mask based on the things you picked. So, uh, in the middle of each chapter, you go to this like therapy, therapy session with Dr. Hill, who serves as like a, I don't almost like a master of ceremonies between the, the acts basically. And he gives you like some kind of lecture, makes you go through some kind of weird little exercise of like essentially rank your friends, just like creepy stuff. And he's just an all around creepy guy and a really cool, charismatic presence to the game. I forgot where I was going with this, but.

What did you guys think of those interludes? They were pretty unnerving. Yeah. I thought it was like setting the stage of like what's to come. Pretty much. But they do, there are certain things that you see that, or certain choices that you pick that change the way that the gameplay shows. Like for example, the maniac chasing you had a clown mask because you picked you or scared of clowns, but mine didn't have the clown mask.

And at one point it asks you what you're most afraid of. it, it comes down like a bracket tournament basically until you finally get down to the one. And mine was needles and the maniac was chasing me with a needle. So I think some of those choices are there to gauge you as a person and see what your fears are so that they can play on them a little bit, which is pretty neat. picked spiders and I'm really surprised that they didn't do anything with spiders. Yeah, I did the snake.

And I don't think there was any snakes. Did you guys try to play this game truthfully or do you try to, when you do this sort of thing, do you try to play as an alternate persona or do you try to play it truthfully? try to play as close as like how I would do it kind of thing for the most part. Yeah. I tried to be truthful the first time anyway and get an actual like real experience. Right. And then go back and be silly later. I think some people probably just go right for the silly or right for the

evil or the, you know, whatever the worst possible path is. So I don't mean curious if you guys were that, cause we don't really play many of these types of games. No. Yeah. No, I was pretty truthful when I played. Yeah. So, for the first half of the night, there's like a killer chasing you and he's like a saw style killer where he's putting your people into these situations where they have to like make some kind of weird choice. This was like another moment where, so Josh and, is

It's not Hannah. That's her name. No. Sam. The redhead. Ashley. Ashley. Yeah. So Ashley and Josh are both chained to a wall and Chris has to pick between the two of them. There's like this buzzsaw thing on like a railroad track. I don't know about you guys, but I waited to see if something would happen because it's what I would do in real life. would just not pick and just be like, if you're going to shoot me, go ahead and shoot me, but you're not getting your jimmies off because I'm not picking.

You can't not pick. So I ended up picking to save Ashley and it ended up killing Josh. And I was like, fucking whoops. thought that was a little weird at first, you know, from Chris's perspective, you know, like any normal person probably wouldn't have touched those levers, like those levers, but like, he was like all into it. Like basically like, Oh, which one do I save? Like, I don't know. Would you touch the lever? Tell us in the comments. Yeah. Like the lever. Cause I, I, that's how I would handle it.

Exactly. Like he didn't like even question it. He was just like, basically, okay, which one do I pick? It's like, all right, bro. Like, I didn't know you wanted to kill somebody that, that quickly, that fast. Choose no. Make me. Could you just jiggle that thing enough times where it's where it broke and go in and save them? I don't know. He try very hard to get through that door. So you find out after some really heinous stuff that the, that the killer clown guy is actually.

Josh and it's like the whole revenge porn scheme that he has basically terrify you all on camera and posted online. Right. Get a bunch of views. I don't know. He's going through an episode. His two sisters died last year and he is mentally unstable. Yeah. Very mentally unstable. Now, now, now he is. Yeah. Cause he spent a lot of time isolating and apparently talking to Dr. Hill, which would unnerve anybody. So, Well, he wasn't, he was off his meds pretty much and like,

He just basically wanted revenge. Like, I guess like innocent revenge because he didn't want to kill anybody, but he really wanted to scare everybody. escalated to the point where he like punches one of the chicks too. I mean, was, he was all in it, you know? Yeah. He, yeah. I mean, like I said, he was off his meds, but like even like that whole like buzz saw thing that he had going on where Chris had to choose. And it goes to Josh every single time. It doesn't matter what you pick, but like, ⁓

It's just a dummy. when it actually, actually goes through Josh. Filled with pig blood or pig, pig guts, I guess. Yeah. And it was pretty creative too, because like, ⁓ you know, he actually puts his head, cause the, the actual like dummy is headless, but he actually puts his head on top of it to look like it's actually like him. Could you imagine being in Josh's position and seeing the blade come up and hitting this fake body with the pig guts and you having to pretend like, ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. And then like.

Basically, you know, try like your best death face after you're like, you're, you know, the saw goes through you, you know, to make it look convincing. Tongue hanging out. I, I, that was some Scooby Doo level bullshit going on there. Like as soon as I saw the head hole cut out, I was like, it's like one of those like carnival things you stick your head through to take a picture. was like, no.

Yeah. Anyway, it was a really good fake, but then it turns out there are things on the mountain that are killing people because the other members of the party, because they didn't stay at the cabin are encountering a different type of problem. And it turns out to be the when to go problem. want to know how long Josh was there planning all of that and why he never got attacked by Wendigo. Right. I thought the same thing. I'm like, these, these things are just out there and he's just like, you have to imagine he did some of that work at night, right? Cause he spent all this time up there and I think they

They mentioned that he was spending a lot of time up there alone and they were all worried about him. So how could he not have run into a Wendigo? Especially being in the sanatorium. Those things kill everything. When Mike goes to the sanatorium in like chapter four or five or whatever it is, that's Josh. Right. With the dogs and everything, right? Yeah. Well. No. Or is that the stranger? That's the stranger. That's the stranger. ⁓

How is the sanatorium connected to the lodge? There is that. There's a On the ground hotel? Yeah, that's crazy. Well, how did Josh and the stranger not meet up at one point either? You know what I mean? I thought that would have happened at one point too if he's spending so much time up there. Yeah, so this is another character who is the stranger, but he's like a crazy old dude with a flamethrower who has figured out everything there is to know about these when to go things, including how to kill them.

with the flamethrower. well enough because he was on for like 10 minutes. He was very underwhelming. Like I thought he was going to be like this bad ass that like basically gets you all to safety. And that, I don't know. think he could have been if they didn't force him to go back out there. Cause he knew, he knew, he knew he didn't want to go back out there. So he already knew that despite him having a flamethrower was probably not a good idea. Like just too many variables and like

He even says it, crap, we're out in the open. Like he doesn't know which direction it's going to come from now. Like it's not like the thing hesitates, right? Like it comes at you and it either gets burned or, or it doesn't. It's not like afraid of fire to the point where it's going to stay away from you because you have the flame thrower. It's like still coming at you. Yep. They're fast. Very strong and very fast. And like you saw one on fire attack Mike and it was still on fire and it probably still would have killed him if you didn't save him as Sam.

Right. like they're not that, that weak and they do appear to hunt together sometimes. So like, I don't know if they had all stayed in the cabin. think, I think they would have been fine, which is the strat. Every horror movie has open doors. So you just need to stay away from windows. Yeah. And wooden structures. Well, everybody tries to play hero, you know, it's like one goes out to save somebody and then the people at the

You know, in the basement, like, ⁓ now we got to save Mike. You know, it's just like a trickle effect. Dude, as soon as I showed up at the cabin and there was no power and no hot water and no nothing, I'd be like, I'm out. Yeah. I don't want to be here. But that stuff does, does exist there though. They just had to turn it all on. They never get power on. Yeah. I mean, I guess what if we were all on a trip? You know what I'm saying? Like we all went up into that cabin. Would you just leave us high and dry like that?

You're gonna be catching me in that, Gavin. Yeah, no fucking way. Well, I'm just saying, like, if we were all together, I mean, would you just leave? Just because they were all like close friends. So, you know, it's it's hard to make a case for someone just up and leaving. Probably not. We'd all be sleeping in the same room. I'll tell you that for sure.

I sure as hell being Sam would not go and take a bath by myself in the dark in this giant cabin. yeah. Well, they, they had been there a bunch of times. Like they, I got the census was like an annual trip for them. They'd all grown up doing this. So I would assume it's comfortable for them. That, that didn't bother me that that much in the dark. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like your own house. Do you walk around your own house in the dark? I do. I I turned my lights on when I'm in a room.

Yeah, but I can walk around and they all play jokes on each other too. like when when something like in the beginning of the game when like did I would have punched Chris in his face? yeah, definitely. I'm like, okay, I've got the high ground. Yeah, if I kick him down the stairs. yeah. Hell yeah, dude. Listen, I feel like you kill what it is that's chasing you. That is the best way you can be safe. That's like how I approach these. Yeah, it ends the danger. Exactly.

You need, if you know where your opponent is, you become the hunter. Like that's really what it is. You want to have the, have the advantage. You surprise them, you take them out. doesn't take that much. Take them down and you, and you're done. Yeah, no, that's a good way to get killed. Don't turn your back on your opponent. just don't. But yeah, no, Chris, Chris would have got his shit rocked. Definitely. Especially because they had like a bat near them. Well, they didn't think anything was.

like wrong man. think at that point in the game, was noise that was regular. Yeah. But Sam points it out. Yeah. But they go to investigate. But at that point, they didn't know there was like wendigos and all that stuff. No, but still. Yeah. And then, you know, the time Sam was taking her bath and her clothes were missing, you know, she thought it was like a prank, a prank. Exactly. So like, at least in the beginning of the game when there was like weird shit going on,

They all, they all thought it was just like a, know, somebody pranking them until they're a big prank crowd. Yeah. Well, did Jess walks out of the cabin in her underwear in the snowstorm to yell? Yeah. I would be doing that. staying inside. I'm like, did any of these people get cold? It looks cold outside. Oh yeah. For sure. you guys get like Ash vibes when Mike finally puts on a jacket and gets the fucking.

⁓ So if you don't have to examine that trap and if you don't you just keep your fingers. How can you not though? I know I checked everything. I mean you can also examine it without touching it, but I touched it. I would have a hard time not touching it. See and that's why Josh would get his ass beat.

because of that. definitely. did get his ass beat. Like losing two of your fingers over the prank. Like I'd be, I'd be beyond. It's just a prank guys. So yeah. Do you guys want to talk about the finale? Sure. Yeah. So the finale is eventually everybody gets back to the cabin in, in their own way, but the Wendigo are already there. There's several of them.

And they don't, as we've already covered, they don't see you when you don't move. They have some other tricks up their sleeve, but that's like the main gimmick, right? They're practically invincible except for fire. And the Wendigos, oddly enough, in this scene start fighting with each other, which I thought was weird, but I think they're just getting frothy because they know you're there. Like, yeah, it could be. know one of them's Hannah, one of those Wendigos in the- Yeah. The big one. She's bigger than the other two. She's the most recently turned, so. Yeah.

She grabs one and like smashes him through the wooden stairs, like some kind of rag doll, like grabs him by the ankle and just slaps him through the stairs. She's like, these are my kills. out of here. Apparently being challenged type of scenario. Apparently they're invulnerable to everything except fire and stairs. Well, you can decapitate them, I guess, but they are strong as shit. they do. She had to do that herself, but I guess, I guess that works. Yeah. It's like cutting diamonds with diamonds. Yeah.

Well, the one that got slammed into the stairs, I don't think died. I think he was the guard with the beard. Yeah. I think he just got, I think he just got rocked for a second stunned.

But, ⁓ so you have to figure out a way for everyone to escape the cabin. So they knock each other into like some kind of gas pipe and then the gas starts spewing out. And then Mike shuffles over and breaks a light bulb. So if you turn the light on, it's going to scorch everybody. And I guess the decisions you make in this final moment, determine how many people get out. And like, I came down to run for the switch or hide with like the Wendigo right in front of me. And I assumed to hide, I was going to have to move. So it didn't feel like a good option.

And I had already gotten it away from Mike. So I thought we were both going to run out together, but I flipped the switch and I killed Mike. I felt so bad because I hid because I knew that everybody needed to make it out. Yeah, I didn't. assumed Mike and Sam were going to get out together. Yeah. Well, only one person can fit through the door. I was waiting for him to get out, which is why I hid. You and I can fit through the doors in my house together. I think if we really had to.

If a Wendigo is chasing us, think you and I could fit through it at the same time. Yeah, I'm surprised. Like, oh, they're, they're pretty young. don't know. That's just pretty innovative to like break the light bulb to know. To like, you know, turn on the switch to. 2015 young people were still smart back then. I was laughing so hard. wouldn't even have thought of that, dude. I was laughing so hard when you saw the gas, like you could see how it's like, you know, distorting the air.

And the face that Mike made when he looked over to Sam, was the dumbest fucking like some of the faces like they were definitely using mocap for this, but some of the faces did not land. Yeah, for sure. my God. His face was like the biggest tool face of all time. He's just like, ⁓ that's great. I laughed at Mike's faces the most though. And then Chris's were second. Yeah. Chris is Chris is a goob. Yeah.

He's a mouth breather for sure. You know it. Yeah. So that's, kind of it. You know, I don't know if there's much more you can say about this game. You know, you play through the story. You can play through multiple times, get all the collectibles, I guess, you know, it takes about 10 hours or so. Yeah. Well, if anyone, think Steve was saying this too, if anyone dies, you can go back to a particular chapter, right? And then go through it with different options. So you can get everyone to safety. I guess that's actually really nice. You don't have to do a whole new play through.

Yeah, screw something up at the end like killing Mike you could not do that. Yeah. Well, you'll have to do the whole chapter. But yeah, well, it's just nice because it's like what if somebody died like near the end of the game? It's like, what do I have to start a whole new game? You know, so it's nice that they do that. can play. yeah. I think it was like a necessary addition. Like I think if they didn't do that, it would be kind of it would land flat because you'd have to play through the beginning areas. And I mean, yeah, you can make new decisions, but you kind of don't want to make new decisions if everybody survives till the end except like one person.

You want to their decisions the same so that people live. Right. Exactly. So it is really kind of integral that they did that. Yeah, for sure. So there we have it. You guys ready to get into the host review? Yeah, let's do it.

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league that we did last year and just upcoming news and events. You can also find us on the Facebook and the Instagram for updates there as well. so for host review this, this time I thought because it was a user selected game or it was a viewer selected game, we wouldn't go into our normal categories, but instead let's rate our friends. Boy, let's do it. So I found us a tier list of the Until Dawn characters that we can do together and discuss. Cause this is a big.

So this is a little tongue in cheek, but it is a big part of the game, who the characters are and how you feel about them. So pull that up for us. And if somebody could get the name of the stranger. ⁓ Really good. Give me one second here. feel like a Jack Fiddler. Yeah. Okay. So I have some categories here. have a hero survivor fodder and villain.

because some of them are on this list and below I just have the pictures. So I think all the categories are pretty self-explanatory. Yeah, for sure. But the first one I have and I think it's a good one to start is ⁓ Ashley. I think these are in alphabetical order. Yeah, okay. No, no, actually they're not. ⁓ But Ashley. So Ashley is actually is like a mutual crush with Chris.

I guess this like unrequited love thing. And it's always like Chris having to pick Ashley and like kill the other person or Chris having to kill himself or kill Ashley. like this whole subplot going on with that. And like Josh tries to get, you know, Chris to just go for it and Chris won't. So I don't know. What do you guys think of Ashley? Well, she's definitely no hero. So we can get that right.

Right out of the way. Yeah, I'd say that she's like, uh... I'd say, I think she's fodder, man. Yeah, like I'm dancing between survivor and fodder too, but like... Yeah, she just doesn't do much. I mean, she does try to save Jess at one point. I mean, even though it wasn't her, but like...

Yeah, she doesn't make a lot of impactful decisions. She doesn't like, she's like literally just there, but she's not actively against you. So she's definitely fodder for me. I could go either way. So I feel that she's fodder and because mine died and mine died doing the only useful thing I felt like that character could do, which was try to save Jess.

Cause they had just done like a Jess scene where she's trapped in the mine and then you're going through the mines and you hear banging and yelling, it's Jess and the other group had already walked ahead. So I thought this was like her moment to go save Jess. And if I didn't do that, then she was going to be totally useless. But no, it's a when to go mimicking Jess. Cause apparently they do that and it rips her head off and kills her. So yeah, I think she was a lamb to the slaughter. right. Fodder it is. Fodder it is.

And then this next character, who is this, That's Beth. She actually gives me hero vibes if she didn't die in the beginning of the game. Yeah, Beth, total hero. Yeah. I was going to say fodder because she died so early, but okay. She runs out into the snowstorm, chases after her sister. You're right. You're right. You're right. She even holds onto the cliff for a good long time. I feel like if she didn't die there, she would have been like a hero type. I feel like anyways. Yeah.

At the beginning when you're hanging on the cliff, you get to choose whether to let go of Hannah or not. you, did you do that? I didn't know. I let go because I've already played that part before. So if you let go, does Beth live? No, they both die. Well, they both seemingly die. I wonder how that changes the game. If you decide to let go. Like this, Beth, right? Nasty notes about not feeling bad about eating you or something like.

I don't know. I didn't notice anything. up we have Chris. My personal feeling is Chris is a survivor. think he's like, yeah, I mean, he tries to go out and get Josh at one point, right? I mean, that's, mean, I don't think he's a hero. mean, I know that's like a hero act, but like, he's a, he's a, he's a good friend. talks, he talks Mike out of killing Josh cause Josh is like, you know, obviously sick, right?

Yeah. You know, I, I, his capability aside, think he's a pretty good all around guy to have around. He's definitely not hero status. His capability holds him back from there, but I think he does pretty okay. Yeah. I would say survivor. Yeah. I'm, think survivor is fine for him. I feel like I know more Josh is more no Chris is then, then Mike's. Yeah. ⁓

Now we have Hannah. Father. Father. Villain. ⁓ that's... ⁓ Yeah, I was actually thinking the human one, but yeah, that's true. All right, villain it is. Hey, she's got her villain arc, you know, they... Look at that Wendigo, it's got a tramp stamp. Well, not only that, she eats her sister. I mean, what do you want?

She does. She does. She feels really bad about it though, but maybe not if you drop her. All right. Sam, Sam. No, that's Jess. That's Jess. ⁓ Jess. Fodder. Fodder for sure. No, disagree, dude. Really? She gets mauled, falls down an elevator. She's still alive and can walk. It's kind of insane. She doesn't do anything. Yeah, she doesn't offer anything. Okay. That's fine. Fodder. Just there to get yanked out of the window.

Yeah, I'm not voted Josh villain villain. Yeah, the one easy Matt

⁓ I think he I'd say survivors fine for him. Yeah, I I would yeah, he fights the first one to go right if you give him the flare gun Yeah, but he doesn't do a lot of heroic acts Yeah, but just his mentality too. Like I like he's got a good head on his shoulders. You can clearly tell that he you know, he's Very level-headed which I think you know, he's dating him. That's kind of a point against that would you say I? Mean we all make that

those mistakes in our life, right? When we're that young. guess so, but they're like less than a year into their relationship and she's already brating him like that. It's way too early for that nonsense. Where's my pink bag? Like, like he, he, he must be into that or something. I don't know. Maybe it could just be a horny teen. knows? Yeah. But like, again, like he's, I think he has like survivor mentality for sure.

At least in my opinion. My feeling is fodder, but I'll be, I'll be outvoted again.

Mike hero. He's, ⁓ God, I don't know. Just like that, like the stereotype jock, like, don't know. I wanted them to stick it to him in this game, but like, yeah, he's for sure a hero. ⁓ He's like a lunatic though. Like you had the lunatic today. Just, just, just for him because like, yeah, I get that. He's mad that.

You know, this person he thinks killed his girlfriend. Okay. He shoots at the guy. He misses, chases him down, shoots at him again. He's got no ammo, right? Chases him back to his little hideaway. Okay. Fine. Then he realizes the guy's got trained wolves and as in this giant building, you know, compound thing, and he's followed him for, for a long time. He's hearing weird stuff in the woods. And it's like, you've had some time to cool off and rationalize this. And the next thing you know, you're sneaking around in the basement of an abandoned.

Sanatorium, you know on the other guy's home field turf and again, he has trained wolves Which everybody should be afraid of and he is no ammo and no means to defend himself and you're like, dude, what are you doing? Like you're just asking to get killed well, At the very least a better use of your time would have been to climb down the elevator shaft to make sure that that Jess actually was dead, right? Yeah, yeah, and I agree

Or at least go back to the cabin. Like, but I think the part that makes him heroic, is the part where he goes back for the key.

See, I thought that was stupid too, because it's an hour until dawn. These people all have phones and have time. Like there's no service on the mountain. Right. But you still have the time and, you know, they, they already know at this point that they have to wait it out until dawn and they, and they're in like a really secure room. They're, know, they're, they're like all set up. All they have to do is be quiet for like an hour and he can't even wait that long. He has to go, you know,

track down his friend that we're pretty sure is dead at this point because he's been hauled off by one of those things. I don't think that makes him heroic, but again, he's got a big set of cojones on him for sure. I mean, I say he was smart, but he was heroic. He did it to save people. Yeah, exactly. I think he just likes doing it.

Hey, firefighters might enjoy their job. It's still heroic. mean, he was going to shoot ⁓ so I'm not sure how convinced I am about that, but...

Speaking of which, villain! You think Emily's a villain? She is a shit stirrer.

She gets her own. I'm calling her skanked here. And I'm sorry if that offends you dear listener, but Emily was the first one to throw the skank stone out right after saying how smart she was. And in my personal opinion, as soon as you tell me how smart you are, and then that word leaves your mouth, male or female, I instantly have lost a lot of respect for you. And Emily, that's like her high point. It just keeps going down from there. All she does is berate Matt.

Yeah, like all the time and she's just, I don't know, she's just all around an awful person. Literally everybody. Yeah. Like she's just. Yeah. That's why I was going to put her in the Villain tier until you made that one. Terrible person. Yeah. So I made a new Emily tier that was below the Villain tier on purpose. And yes, I think it's below the Villain tier. This kind of toxicity can do you much more harm than a killer. Okay.

Sam. I vote for hero. Easy hero. Yeah. She doesn't blink ever. She's never like too freaked out. If these were like, you know, ordered, she would definitely be number one, I think. Smart enough to know not to go back out for the key also. Yeah. She goes to save Mike at the sanatorium. Well, it's because she knows Mike is alive.

She's not going to go out there for Josh because she doesn't even know if he's alive, like very rational, right? Yeah. And she doesn't go alone to go save Mike. She convinces the group somehow to go save Mike. But then at the end, she, she goes, and then they go back to the cabin by, she goes by herself. Yeah. Well, and, if you know, if you do everything right too, she is also selfless in, ⁓

getting everybody out before she gets out last to blow up the Wendigos. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Definitely Hero. For sure. Mr. Jack Fiddler. I'd say Survivor. Yeah, like, you, I don't know, if he had more screen time, I definitely would say Hero, but like, I don't know, dude. No, you guys haven't, haven't watched enough horror movies. He's a hundred percent fodder. He's that, he's that.

There's a there's a term for this character that they introduced to be the badass to immediately kill Like how long did he survive? Against the Wendigos. Yeah, he was up there for over a year. Yeah actively hunting them Yeah, but for the sake of the story, he doesn't do that much to propel it No, he gives you the the what's the word? ⁓ Basically, he gives you all the information the exposition

So I feel like he would either be hero or fodder. can't see the, I can't see the survivor argument. the only reason I chose that is because he knows how to fight them and he has been fighting them for a long time. He's chained some of them up. And it was his idea to, you know, to tell everyone to stay in the basement until dawn. Yeah. That's why that's the main reasons why I picked survivor because he is a survivor. It's just that he dies because of fucking Chris.

If he goes in survivor, think we should move Matt down.

I mean, yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. It's just hard putting them as fodder because it's like, like we said, it's like, he's been probably, you know, fending them off for at least a year plus, probably longer than that. I think Matt and Ashley are on the same level.

I think Matt has a better head. Like he's more level headed for sure. I mean, I could, I could see it. Like he, didn't really get like a lot of screen time. Matt, put Matt and Fodder on. Yeah, I will take that. Yeah. Mr. Fiddler. Fiddler and the Survivor. I'll take that exchange.

⁓ think this is a picture of a wendigo. That's a, that's a villain. So this highly depends on which chapter we're talking about because chapter nine where Mike's running through and shooting them and everything definitely fodder, but otherwise villain. Yeah. Not fodder because they can't die. actually they all get blown up. You do get a pretty good body count out of that.

And Dr. Hill. I can't really classify him. He really is his own. Yeah. I think he goes in the Emily skank tier. He's going in the skank tier with Emily. It's sort of like asking me, you know, about the woman who is interviewing them and asking them questions at the end of the game.

Well, the reason that I picked that actually is because he gets so angry when you're not honest with him I don't think you've been completely honest with me. I know I lied to him on purpose So he's definitely in the he could be in the hero lunatic because he's definitely a lunatic but He also is like the he also could be villain because he's he's on some level Josh's messed up psyche that's making him Go crazy, right?

So, but I like him in skank tier. Same. It's funny. So there you have it. Yeah. He's, he's hang on. got it. I got a little punny.

Gank Hill. Gank Hill. yeah. He also never comes back for subsequent games, so. Just a movie. Yeah. I guess I didn't, in this exercise, I didn't expect to rate someone like Beth. So I guess, you know, her being in hero tier is really interesting to me. Yeah.

I just think if she survived, like if she didn't die initially, she definitely would have been up there with Sam. She just had those vibes. You guys are honoring her memory. Yeah.

I guess the only reason why I feel like Josh isn't in the fodder tier is because he makes a lot of critical choices. Like a lot. He gets put in situations a lot where he has to make choices.

Whereas I feel yeah, yeah. Like you have to make a choice to kill. no, sorry. Chris. Chris. Yeah. Chris. okay. He makes an awful lot of choices that affect other people in this game. Whereas I feel like Ashley basically does nothing. Like I can't think of a moment where Ashley does something that saves somebody else. Or like, well, when you control her and you stab Josh with the scissors, but.

Yeah, not much. Would that have changed anything, I wonder though? Because he was just going to get her with the gas mask anyway.

I don't know. Yeah, it's either get her with the gas mask or get punched. I don't know. False choice. Anyway, yeah, so that's it. So that's that's until dawn. I mean, ⁓ it's a pretty wild ride. And this is the 2015 version. My understanding is it's being remade or has been remade. Yeah, it's already remade.

Yeah, which is wild because boy do I feel old when a game that's only 10 years old gets remade. I don't think I needed it to be honest with you. Like I thought it holds up really well. Yeah, it's kind of weird that they did that. Yeah. Well, they added a couple extra things. Apparently you can save Josh now and also they changed a lot of the renders because you were talking about the cursed faces and they changed some of the controls, you know how sometimes you'd be walking in a direction the camera would change and then you'd like

be all messed up they fixed that too so I mean it's probably a pretty easy game to remake they have all the source material like they have everything already just upscale I would assume they had to record new dialogue right?

Like the characters don't say all the same stuff do they? Because otherwise that to me that falls under a remaster category. Yeah, I think it's closer to a remaster. Okay. Yeah. All right. So cool. We're going to set until dawn aside and I can't say I'm sad to see it go because you know, this is episode three of Dawn hates horror games, but yeah. All right. I was more than three. Steve's going to pull up the picker wheel.

Maybe it's eternal darkness that I don't really count. Cause that one wasn't that scary. No, but we had, well, I mean, I guess it may not be like scary, but we had Resident Evil 4. had, ⁓ Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill. Yeah. Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill. Resident Evil 4 is not that scary to me either.

Yeah, sorry, this is episode four of Dawn Hates. Horror games. So. I don't know if there's one in the Picker Wheel or not, but.

Veto. Veto, veto.

All right. Share that picker wheel.

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Yeah, I just always think of the episode or the the level where the deer is propelling itself with that shit

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